The Baby Chronicles: 28 weeks 1 day..circumcision..say what?!

Baby momma back in Cape Town and it seems she brought some sunshine with her!Grab a cup of coffee coz im afraid this might be quite a lengthy post.Dad and myself went to pick up the momma from the airport and first 31.07.2009 050thing we noticed was the tan she picked up and then on closer inspection, the watermelon she now has around her waist. Nice 🙂 Her tummy is rather conspicuous now but her movements are still normal (although getting up from the couch apparently is accompanied by loud moans and groans..more to get dads attention i think).Momma pitched up with an entire years supply of baby clothes and baby stuff unavailable here and says i should thank all those responsible for contributing (you know who you are).She informed me that while in Canada a couple of noteworthy developments occured such as some baby momma drama when she baby-sat her nephew and was told the

First line 8 weeks,last 28 weeks

First line 8 weeks,last 28 weeks

next day he might have chicken pox!!Danger alert and panic stations until it was declared a false alarm..Canadian mosquito’s are vicious im told.Her doctor there( cousin Leyla) also revealed that the height of mommas tummy from pelvic bone to top of uterus is almost exactly equal to the number of weeks pregnant..true story..kinda like your foot size  is exactly the length from your wrist bone to your elbow..there you go..dont say i never teach you anything.

Mom weighs 72 kilos now( 158 pounds),her jugs are the size of her head..and her nips look like Oreo cookies dad says!Restless sleep(dad says she wakes herself up with machine gun like farting!),itchy belly,voracious appetite,problems making a number 2,crazy dreams and frequent baba kickings are all par for the day as well as the first occurances of Braxton Hicks contractions(momma says her belly hardens like a rock for a few minutes then returns to normal..Wiki here).Apart from that she is a  glowing ball of happy pregnantness!She went to see Dr Zinn at

Face profile

Face profile

Kingsbury yesterday and the ultra sound revealed all things running smoothly.Baba Dylan is the ideal size (1.1 kilos) and length (40 cm) and is for the moment lying on his side ,upside down with his legs outstretched so that his head is inbetween his feet!! Crazy i know..but thats how he chills.The Doc was also really helpful regarding the c-section vs natural birth dilemma.Whoever said that they butcher your abs needs to say sorry to the momma for frightening her!Doc explained that during a c-section they make a tiny incision in a natural fold of the skin and since the abdominal muscles are already seperated vertically all they do is pull them apart.South Africa is on the forefront of new techniques( first heart transplant remember) and procedures still done overseas are not even considered here anymore like natural birthing twins and breached babies.

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We will have to wait and see what the mom decides and ill let you know as soon as she does..in the mean time momma and dad have a new decision to consider..and your thoughts would be greatly appreciated..ladies as well as gents this time! The topic of circumcision came up and it appears there are some differering opinions..what do you think? Should Baby Dylan have his mighty-man-staff sliced or not?Leave a reply below..

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~ by mcsavage on July 31, 2009.

18 Responses to “The Baby Chronicles: 28 weeks 1 day..circumcision..say what?!”

  1. snip it!!! love aunty amy

  2. I agree, snip it!

  3. If he has a small one leave it……..if it looks big….hey…..feel free 🙂

  4. You wouldn’t cut a baby girl’s prepuce off, so why would you cut a boy’s off? It’s *his* body, so let him decide for himself if he wants genital surgery. If you wait, it’s safer than an infant circumcision, it hurts less, and the results are cosmetically better. In England, only 1 in 140 males left intact ever needs to be circumcised for a medical reason, and it’s getting rarer.

    If my son wants to be circumcised when he’s 18 (16 if he knows what he’s going), I’ll gladly pay for it, and help him find the best surgeon. Until then, no-one is cutting parts of his genitals off. His body, his decision.

    It’s worth remembering that no-one except for Jewish people and Muslims would even be having this discussion if it weren’t for the fact that 19th century doctors thought that :
    a) masturbation caused various physical and mental problems (including epilepsy, convulsions, paralysis, tuberculosis etc), and
    b) circumcision stopped masturbation.

    Both of those sound ridiculous today I know, but if you don’t believe me, then goole this : “A Short History of Circumcision in North America In the Physicians’ Own Words”.

  5. Don’t circumcise him. There is no valid medical reason for doing so, and over 70% of the world’s men are not circumcised. I say his body, his decision.

    It’s not a “snip” either. The foreskin must first be torn from the glans, to which it is adhered using a metal probe. Then it is cut with a scalpel. I highly recommend watching a video of the procedure in case you have any questions about what happens.

    Visit NOCIRC-South Africa for more info
    http://www.nocirc-sa.co.za/

    Personally, if I had a son, I would guard his little body with my life.

  6. The non-therapeutic circumcision of boys is unlawful in South Africa except for medical or religious reasons. There are no medical reasons to circumcise a newborn, so unless you are Jewish or Muslim, there should be no circumcision.

  7. If there’s no medical reason for surgery, wouldn’t it be unethical to have it done without the consent of the patient?

  8. I think the trauma lies on the parents more then on the baby… snip it, much sexier for future play dates. Future wife will thank you!

    • Circumcision is not more traumatic for the parents than for the baby. The younger the infant, the more severely the pain is experienced. The only analgesia that is effective takes four injections into the penis and, once the analgesia wears off, the wound is painful, especially with every urination and bowel movement during the week to ten days it takes for the wound to heal. It is a painful, traumatic surgery and the harmful effects last a lifetime. Circumcision is penile reduction surgery–less size, less sensitivity–that denies a male the protective covering and the most sensitive part of his penis (20,000-70,000 highly specialized erogenous nerve endings encircle the opening of the foreskin. These nerve endings are what allow a male to ride the wave to orgasm and without them, men complain of premature ejaculation until, with aging, the uncovered glans becomes dried, hardened, and calloused, burying what few nerve endings there are in the glans and making erectile dysfunction the problem…until impotence. Intact males generally don’t have these problems.You cannot cut off normal external genital tissue without interfering with normal genital functioning. Impossible!

      With regard to women’s preference, those in non-circumcising countries ask how American women can have foreplay without a foreskin to play with. This is like asking how one would rub the eyeball without using the eyelid.

      The real question is this: Do parents have a right to allow someone to cut a normal part of their son’s body or does that body belong to the baby himself? Circumcision is not a medical issue, it is a human rights issue. It is only accepted because it’s been practiced for millennia. Looking at the practice of circumcision through the legal, ethical, and human rights lens of the 21st century, it becomes clear there is no place for this anachronistic blood ritual in a civilized society.

      And, on the other note, a C-section also interferes with the maternal/infant bond. The mother’s hormones that allow her to fall in love with her baby are disturbed by pain medication. During natural childbirth, a mother’s endorphins kick in and provide natural pain medication to help with the process. In addition, normal birth is best for the baby and mother. The contrast between the moment before birth and the moment after the birth of a baby is profound, and a mother who has succeeded in bringing her baby into the world without drugs knows she has been part of a miraculous experience and her strength and feelings of accomplishment are profound. All this is part of preparing a woman for her role as mother.

      There are some wonderful videos available now, including Ecstatic Birth, Birth As We Know It, and The Business of Being Born. I hope the expectant mother will watch these to see that birth can be ecstatic, and is even more so without drugs or surgery. It’s too important an experience to miss!

  9. Some women resent their parents-in-law for having circumcised their husbands. One woman I know says she is furious that a decision her mother-in-law made before she was even born affects what she and her husband get up to in the bedroom.

    You might also want to check out the following:

    Canadian Paediatric Society
    http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/fn/fn96-01.htm
    “Recommendation: Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed.”

    http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/pregnancy&babies/circumcision.htm
    “Circumcision is a ‘non-therapeutic’ procedure, which means it is not medically necessary.”
    “After reviewing the scientific evidence for and against circumcision, the CPS does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn boys. Many paediatricians no longer perform circumcisions.”

    Royal Australasian College of Physicians
    http://www.racp.edu.au/download.cfm?DownloadFile=A453CFA1-2A57-5487-DF36DF59A1BAF527
    “After extensive review of the literature the Royal Australasian College of Physicians reaffirms that there is no medical indication for routine neonatal circumcision.”
    (those last nine words are in bold on their website, and almost all the men responsible for this statement will be circumcised themselves, as the male circumcision rate in Australia in 1950 was about 90%. “Routine” circumcision is now *banned* in public hospitals in Australia in all states except one.)

    British Medical Association
    http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/malecircumcision2006?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,circumcision#Circumcisionformedicalpurposes
    “to circumcise for therapeutic reasons where medical research has shown other techniques to be at least as effective and less invasive would be unethical and inappropriate.”

    drops in male circumcision:
    USA: from 90% to 57%
    Canada: from 47% to 9.2%
    UK: from 35% to about 5% (less than 1% among non-Muslims)
    Australia: 90% to 12.6% (“routine” circumcision has recently been *banned* in public hospitals in all states except one, so the rate will now be a lot lower)
    New Zealand: 95% to below 3% (mostly Samoans and Tongans)
    South America and Europe: never above 5%

    “Snip”?? The record payout for a botched circumcision is $22.8 million. It was said at the time that the victim “will never be able to function sexually as a normal male and will require extensive reconstructive surgery and psychological counseling as well as lifelong urological care and treatment by infectious disease specialists.”
    Sure, cases like that are very rare, but why should they happen at all? If you look up the galleries of botched jobs, one thing that may surprise you is just how many jobs were botched cosmetically, rather than medically. Skin tags and skin bridges and hair growing half way up the shaft are not normal, but would not be counted as medical complications.

    News just in two months ago: A jury in Atlanta has awarded $1.8 million to a boy whose penis was severed in a botched circumcision five years ago. The Fulton County jury also awarded the boy’s mother another $500,000.

  10. I hope you will consider giving your son the choice over the appearance and function of his most private area. Please respect his body as his alone to alter.

    Also, I want to warn you not to be fooled by some o the pro-circ BS that is floating around. Here are some quick facts:

    1. There are both protective and sexual functions of the foreskin. In childhood it protects the developing penis and keeps urine, feces and other pathogens from entering the urethra. In adulthood there are extensive sexual functions. This specialized tissue is packed with nerves (over 20,000), blood supply, muscle fibers, and cells similar to those found in the fingertips and lips. According to fine pressure studies and studies of the actual composition it is the most sensitive part of the entire penis. This composition allows the man to have more control during intercourse which is why intact men are less likely to suffer erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculatory dysfunction.

    2. No medical organization in the entire world recommends routine infant circumcision.

    3. Circumcision permanently alters both the function and the appearance of a child’s sex organ. Ethically speaking, doctors are not allowed to perform non-therapeutic operations on healthy children without medical necessity.

    4. Caring for an intact boy is easier than caring for a circumcised boy. The proper care of the intact penis is to leave it alone. Only clean what is seen. Never try to retract or allow a medical professional to retract a child’s foreskin. Thousands of cases each year are reported where a doctor, ignorant to the development of the intact boy, has tried to retract a child’s foreskin. This is a form of malpractice. Trying to retract a boy’s foreskin is like trying to wash out a baby girl’s vagina. It leads to tearing, scar tissue, introduces infection and can lead to some more serious complications.

    5. USA has the highest rate of STD/HIV transmission of any developed country and is the only country that routinely circumcises. Circumcision might hide the symptoms of STD making circumcised men unaware that they have an STD and so they pass it to many partners. Also, studies report that circumcised men are less likely to use condoms, which is probably why the transmission rates are astronomical in the USA. Condom use is the only way to prevent against STD transmission.

    6. The circ rate in the US is currently 56% and falling. In some costal cities it is as low as 30%. Even in USA, were circ rates are the highest, circ is falling out of favor.

    7. Most intact children are appalled when they learn that some boys are circumcised, and feel sorry for those boys. Men love their foreskins especially as they mature sexually.

    8.Penile cancer is more rare than male breast cancer. Penile cancer is one of the rarest forms of cancer. Breast cancer in women on the other hand is very common, yet we don’t go removing the breast buds of baby girls.

    9. Male circumcision reduces a woman’s sexual pleasure during intercourse and has a long-term negative impact on a woman’s sexual health. This is b/c the gliding mechanism that is the foreskin preserves lubrication and protects the inside of a woman’s vagina from the ridge of the glans. Intact men have shorter strokes and don’t have to pound vigorously to sufficiently stimulate themselves. This makes sex with an intact man closer and more of a rocking motion. Learn more about this at http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com

    Interested in learning more? Please check out my blog that discusses the top 12 myths about circumcision and the intact male. I have many resources there for you to explore.

    http://web.mac.com/jencoias/coiasfamily/12_MYTHS.html

    Please protect your dear son from the harms of circumcision. Give him the choice!

  11. I say leave it on. Since most people are leaving it on these days, you don’t want him to be laughed at.

  12. I’ll start by saying I’m biased. I’m against it. I’m a nurse and I’ve seen several circumcisions take a drastic turn for the worse! While most go off without a hitch, it’s those few bad ones I’ve seen, along with no strong, compelling medical need for circumcision, that makes me say no, don’t do it. I actually didn’t circumcise my boys. However, if they want it done when they are older, it can still be done. But once it’s off, it can’t be put back on, you know?
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I can’t say what my boys or their future partners will want their privates to look like. I don’t think that as a mom I have the right to say what my personal sexual preference is since it’s my son and I’ll never be sleeping with him!
    Ackkkk! My husband is circumcised but I’ve had partners that were not. Either way is fine with me (I kind of thought they looked alike when they were erect and it’s not like I spent time down there LOOKING at it – LOL)!
    But it’s your choice. Pros and cons either way. You should search for infant circumcision videos before you decide since many people think it’s this simple little snip, like trimming a fingernail (it’s not).
    But either way, I’m sure your boy will be fine!

  13. I’m surprised it’s still offered in South Africa. The English-speaking world tried it, found it did no good, and has pretty much given it up – except in the US, where money and conformity have worked together to keep it going (but even there it’s nearly down to 50:50).

    He won’t be teased by his peers because they’ll mostly be intact like him. His future partners won’t freak out. The diseases it’s claimed to prevent are all either rare or better prevented or treated by other means.

    Duncan, all babies have small ones, so any mistake in the cutting is magnified, like writing on a balloon.

    The first thing they’ll tell you when he’s born is, “He’s perfect!” How can cutting a healthy part off improve on that?

  14. Put simply: The foreskin is healthy, sensitive, functional genital tissue. It contains thousands of fine-touch nerve endings found nowhere else on the penis, with sensitivity similar to that found in the fingertips and lips. A foreskin (like any healthy body part) belongs to the individual, not the parents, or the parent’s religion, or the culture he is born into. Circumcision is EXTREMELY painful, and permanent.

    Do your son a favor, and don’t get sucked in by the poorly-justified reasons that people may try to use to convince you to strap down your son and cut off one of the best parts of his entire body.

  15. Snip it? this is not just a snip people! circumcision is barbaric practice, have you seen a circumcision surgery before? Please watch one! It’s horrible even when anesthetic is applied because babies are susceptible to pain because they are just right out of the womb, nervous system still immature and bodies are too. Let him decide later when he is an adult if he wants to have part of his penis cut off. My husband is circumcised and when we researched about circumcision we decided against it. Now my boy is a healthy little man with all his parts! 🙂

    I say leave it alone, bring your whole baby home ❤

  16. […] Ok… lots of debate and comments(16) surrounding last weeks post concerning circumcision (HERE)…seriously go look..some people wrote entire essays..not gonna say much since baby momma is […]

  17. No to the circ, how dare you in this day and age! Am not convinced there is any medical reason to do it.

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